Some last problems with suspension hanging

[caged eagle]

Sorry about my endless problems with hanging and about another rather
long post, but I may not post so much anymore, and I had solved most
problems already, and would be very grateful for any helpful input re:
a few remaining questions:

OK, some of you may have read that I had a failed hanging attempt last
week. I really thought I had everything I needed for success: A
railing as point of suspension, an extremely strong and not too thin
rope that was fixed on the railing in a manner that is used to secure
ships, a good nose that tightens firmly, some uninterrupted hours
(well, less than planned; will try to not be running late for this at
least next time!!) Had experimented a bit somehow with a sudden and
strong compression of the carotid(s) (there seems to be conflicting
information on whether there is only one or two on both sides, but I
know that there is definitely one on the right of the neck, that I
could locate better after doing some knee-bents) and could start a
blackout after a few seconds with a pale face, and it didn't hurt too
badly, and this blackout feeling was strange, but not too bad either;
was feeling weak and weird for quite some time afterwards.

Well, it had been suggested to me that I should start to pass a
blackout on the chair, and kick it away only when almost passed out,
because this should be more easy to do and cause less pain. So I was
standing on that freaking chair last Friday and was leaning into it
for ages, and it just freaking hurt. I did feel pretty bizarre and had
a hard time keeping my balance, but was never able to start this
blackout feeling as before, and because it was painful enough already,
I couldn't muster the courage to step off or kick away that chair. I
think I know now what I had done wrong: The knot was seated too high
on the back, so that the carotid wasn't compressed sufficiently - the
abrasions on my neck also showed that the pressure was mainly on the
front, and less where the carotid is. So it may have been good that I
didn't kick away that chair, as it could have been a slower and more
agonizing death, and besides, it was my birthmother's birthday, and I
was in a rush and finally had to stop this procedure when there was
very little uninterrupted time left. Should approach this calmer and
more carefully next time.

Well, I had been experimenting more with the noose fitted properly
(ended up with more abrasions all around, also where the carotid is)
and tightening it manually, but I only sometimes managed to start a
blackout, and were always getting a more or less red face. I had been
corresponding with someone who had been experiencing the same
problems, and he said that we would have to manage to get a pale face
when practicing, or else the hanging could be very agonizing and leave
a rather gruesome looking body. I for my part tend to believe however
that the problem should be that it is difficult to do a fast and
complete compression of the carotid manually and without a full
suspension. Compare Geo Stone re: how a quick and total cut off of the
blood circulation to and from the brain will cause quick
unconsciousness, and is also likely to leave a more normal looking,
pale face, whereas a gradual increase of pressure on the neck will
probably shut off the jugular vein before the carotid, and will
therefore cause engorgement and blue/purple color:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Geo+Stone+Hanging+group:alt.suicide.methods&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=alt.suicide.methods&selm=3B3C456C%40MailAndNews.com&rnum=1


Well, my top priority is of course that this is going to work out; and
I do strongly assume that having a tight noose around your neck is
going to cause death sooner or later. The question is just how long it
would take and how it would be (for my sake) and how I would look like
afterwards (for the sake of those who will have to see me then).

Well, what do you think would be the best approach to do this? Seeing
that the noose is fitted properly next time and trying again to start
a blackout on the chair and step off it or kick it away then? I
thought this may indeed be less painful and more easy to do mentally.
The problems I'm seeing with this are that it could be difficult again
to start a blackout this way; and if so, that it could be a bit
difficult (either because there is still too much fear of pain, or
because I'm too passed out already) to kick away the chair then, so I
could end up just collapsing there. Of course a partial suspension
should do the job as well, but I'm somewhat concerned that I could
somehow manage to get up again when I'm only half-brain dead; and this
approach would also be more likely to leave a not so pretty looking
face.

So I was wondering whether I should rather try to do what I had
planned from the beginning, and what my friend Steve did one week ago:

"I can only tell you what i plan to do and i'm pretty confident it
will do the job quickly. Place the ligature around my neck as i'm
standing on the chair, making sure it's tight but not unpleasant.
There will only be a few inches below my feet to the ground so i'll
step off the chair slowly without a long and painful jump. This
should still be quick enough to pass out quickly with minimum pain.

You know the only chance of failure is disturbance, so as long as
you've got a few hours and the rope doesn't snap there's no way you'll
just end up hanging there consciously.
We've both already had some experience with positive (or negative,
depends how you look at it) results. Rope around neck =
unconsciousness = death."

Well, hope it was quick and not too painful for him. He knew from a
former hanging attempt that failed because the rope snapped that you
do lose consciousness quickly with a full suspension, and this is also
what Geo Stone says, and my experiments with a strong and sudden
compression of the carotid did knock me out very soon and left a pale
face. My correspondent thinks that we need to practice until we manage
to always get a pale face, but it's difficult to practice getting a
fast and complete compression of the carotid; and it's impossible to
practice a full suspension - there is always a very thin line between
practice and performance with this, and any experiments with this are
risky and could work out too well at an inappropriate time and when
nothing else is in order (once experimented on the railing, and fell
off the shaky cushions on the chair and still managed to make it back
there, which was fortunate, as nothing else was in place then). So I
was wondering whether I should rather see that the noose covers the
carotid well next time, and go for an immediate full suspension,
either by stepping off or by kicking away the chair. This would just
need some overcoming, and I would really hope that I could manage to
be so strongly determined then, and that it would indeed be quick, not
too painful, and also leave a pale face.

Well, I was wondering whether anyone here could offer any helpful
input on which way to approach this should be better overall? I hope
strongly that I would be able to go through with it and that it won't
be too bad, as I'm still fearing pain and death!!

Re: making this as mentally easy and physically painfree as possible:
There are three things that could help with this, and I could use any
of these and any combination thereoff: Tranquilizers against the
anxiety, alcohol for more relaxation and less inhibition, and opiate
painkillers that could offer more or less pain relief. Once tried all
three together in moderate doses and was completely knocked out for a
few hours, and it seems to be a bad idea to attempt something so
serious in such a state. This opiate painkiller (Oxycodone) is a
pretty strong one and usually used for pain after surgery and cancer
pain - have no idea of how much use it would be for pain caused by a
suspension hanging, and could hardly ask a doctor. Felt already pretty
doped when I once tried the minimum dose and some alcohol. So I had
only a benzo and a glass of champagne before the last attempt. Could
anyone offer any advice on which intoxication formula could be most
useful for this occasion?

Thanks for your time and any kind of help! :)

Caged Eagle

[z]

time after you kicked your chair doesn't matter

it could be seconds or minutes, time doesn' mean anything when you're so
nervous that one instant is an eternity

but who cares
as soon as your feet don't touch the ground any more you're dead
even if your body is not aware yet

[caged eagle]

Post by z
time after you kicked your chair doesn't matter

Well, as I said, I'm not sure yet whether I should or could kick away
the chair at all; see above and also the response to the other reply.

Post by z
it could be seconds or minutes, time doesn' mean anything when you're so
nervous that one instant is an eternity
but who cares
as soon as your feet don't touch the ground any more you're dead
even if your body is not aware yet

Thanks, but I'm afraid I don't quite understand. According to Geo
Stone, it doesn't have to be a full suspension so that your feet could
touch the ground; compare my first post and the reply to nothing re:
my great concerns with this. And seconds or minutes to what? I was
hoping that it would take only few seconds until I pass out, and that
I wouldn't notice much of the remaining minutes until death. Compare
Steven's hanging guide of what is supposed to happen if everything is
done properly, which I will hopefully be able to do:

<= 9-12 seconds to unconsciousness

Post by z
= 7-11 minutes to brain death (not reversible)
= 20 minutes all organs in the body will be dead. the heart will stop

beating, the lungs stop breathing, etc. Complete death of the body.

http://ash.spaink.net/suspension.html

During an experiment with a strong and sudden compression of the
carotid (sorry, couldn't mention any details), I was *very* quickly on
the brink of a blackout; there wasn't much time and consciousness left
for being overly nervous or feeling too much pain, and it didn't feel
like an eternity at all; on the contrary, I was completely puzzled and
stunned about what the hell was happening to me so fast. What's
important now is to be able to do this in the best possible manner
during the actual performance, but it is even more important to be
able to do this efficiently at all. A few seconds or even minutes of
pain would be really worth it to end years of pain, but of course I'd
prefer this to be as physically painfree as possible, and it's still a
pretty scary thing to do in general.

[z]

Post by caged eagle
Thanks, but I'm afraid I don't quite understand. According to Geo
Stone, it doesn't have to be a full suspension

i personaly don't trust this stuff
some perseverant people are able to die with their feet on the ground
that doesn't mean you will

...seconds or minutes before unconsciousness
you don't know if everything will be done 'properly' because in hanging
there is always a jump that may displace the noose you intended to block
your arteries with
in partial suspension don't forget the underestimated vital reflex that
turns something apparently perfect and attractive into the sad certitude
that your organs don't want to die

Post by caged eagle
the brink of a blackout; there wasn't much time and consciousness left

after, clinical death takes its own time
...don't be too confident, you wouldn't believe me if i told you how long i
stayed hanged, some years ago

Post by caged eagle
<= 9-12 seconds to unconsciousness

Post by z
= 7-11 minutes to brain death (not reversible)
= 20 minutes all organs in the body will be dead. the heart will stop

beating, the lungs stop breathing, etc. Complete death of the body.

[caged eagle]

Sorry that is is going to be rather long again, this is really not
exactly my idea of fun; just want to be very sure about all the
details and to get this thing at least as right as possible and as
necessary. Hopefully anyone else can benefit in any way from anything
in this thread.

Post by z
i personaly don't trust this stuff
some perseverant people are able to die with their feet on the ground
that doesn't mean you will

Well, according to Geo Stone, who AFAIK is a doctor and researched his
book for many years and seems to be one of the most reliable and
trustworthy sources re: suicide methods, you don't need a full
suspension, as it requires only 7 lb (3.2 kg) - 11 lb (5 kg) to
compress the carotid, and from my own experiences, it does indeed need
much less pressure than the full body weight to induce a blackout. But
I also tend to think that the more pressure, the better, even if it
should be more painful for a bit, and if it does really require a
strong determination to step off or kick away that chair, so that I'm
still wondering what I could or should do during the next attempt.
There is of course also this concern about my looks with a partial
suspension, and this major concern that I could somehow manage to lift
myself back up again.

Well, I would of course try to go for an immediate full suspension
during the next attempt, but if I somehow shouldn't manage to do this
for too long, I would try to start blackouts on that chair, and it
could very well happen that I just end up collapsing there! Please
tell me anyone whether it is very likely that one is able to stand up
when one is completely unconscious and almost dead!! This is really
most important, and others may be interested in learning the answer to
this question as well!! It would of course totally suck for anyone to
end up in a persistent vegetative state!! I will leave these legal
documents on the table, which are supposed to be much more efficient
than a living will; but I've rarely been taken seriously and had my
whole me violated so often, and just want to be left the hell alone to
die now, but these fucking assholes may just disrespect again what I
don't want to have happening to my body against my will, and that it
is my STRONG will to have ZERO medical treatments except for strong
painkillers if I should ever end up in a situation when I can't
consent to anything any more; which will *hopefully* never be the case
for everyone's sake.

Post by z
you don't know if everything will be done 'properly' because in hanging
there is always a jump that may displace the noose you intended to block
your arteries with

Well, I don't think there's a *jump* in full or partial suspension.
From everything I've learned from more reliable sources, you are
supposed to pass out soon with a good and tight noose around your
neck. Steve, who had a personal experience not just with experiments,
but with an actual full suspension, also passed out very soon. In one
of his first emails, he wrote:

"Any ligature at all that constricts the Carotid Artery and Jugulars
with some (doesn't have to be intense) pressure will result in
unconsciousness after a few seconds. Especially with a full
suspension hanging. Any sort of noose will ride up to the top of the
neck, with the full weight of the body, where the Carotid and Jugulars
are."

In one of his last emails, he wrote:

"As long as the knot is tight around your neck it shouldn't shift.
Remember, this is not an exact science. Any pressure at all on the
Carotid will do, so even if the rope shifts there will still be some
pressure on the upper neck where the carotid is.

Yes the noose should be placed right under the chin where the Carotid
and Jugulars are. When one is hanging the rope will ride up as far as
it can go, namely the chin. Place it there to begin with anyway so
it's just above the windpipe. Otherwise it might be a bit painful."

Had asked about what he made about starting a blackout on the chair,
and he responded:

"I can only tell you what i plan to do and i'm pretty confident it
will do the job quickly. Place the ligature around my neck as i'm
standing on the chair, making sure it's tight but not unpleasant.
There will only be a few inches below my feet to the ground so i'll
step off the chair slowly without a long and painful jump. This
should still be quick enough to pass out quickly with minimum pain."

Well, he did this only a few hours after writing this, and I hope he
was right and that it wasn't too painful for him. I should really try
hard to do it this way as well. Had asked him about what he made of
these opiate painkillers, and he said he didn't know whether they
would have much of an effect, and that it was obviously important to
not attempt something like this in a very drunk and doped state.

Post by z
in partial suspension don't forget the underestimated vital reflex that
turns something apparently perfect and attractive into the sad certitude
that your organs don't want to die

Well, again, would only do a partial if I shouldn't manage a full.
Hope I would at least manage a partial, and would just like to be
fairly confident that I couldn't end up not very brain-dead but very
brain-damaged, and any opinions on this would be very welcome!! Well,
I for my part don't think it's very likely that you could just start
walking around again when you're fully unconscious and nearly dead,
but maybe there couldn't be a 100 % guarantee for this or anything.
Nothing in life and not even in death is totally risk-free, and I may
have no other choice than to take that risk before I go totally nuts
and could take even bigger risks.

Post by z

Post by caged eagle
the brink of a blackout; there wasn't much time and consciousness left

after, clinical death takes its own time
...don't be too confident, you wouldn't believe me if i told you how long i
stayed hanged, some years ago

So what exactly were you doing then, if I may ask?! Sorry if I'm
quoting Steve so frequently, but he appeared pretty reasonable and
rational, spoke from his own experience, and researched and planned
this for a long time after a first failed attempt. He knew after this
that you need a decent knot; that you should take a deep breath and
swallow a couple of times before a full suspension; that you should
use a strong and not too thin rope to minimize the pain and not have
anything snap. In one of his posts here, he wrote:

"I said adios couple months ago and stepped of a chair.
Unfortunately,
I hadn't thought it through enough as it WAS a little painful and the
electrical cord I was hanging from for about 5 seconds snapped. I
regained consciousness whilst lying on the floor in a heap wondering
where the fuck I was.
But you live and learn, so next time i'll be using something stronger
like a rope and that doesn't cut into my neck but does hold my weight.
I'll put a thin cloth or something around my neck to reduce friction.

At least I know for sure now that it only takes a few seconds to pass
out. From what i've since found out around here it then takes about
10 minutes for the heart to stop.
I guess it depends on whether it's a full suspension hanging or the
feet are touching the ground. Full is a quicker loss of consciousness
because the whole body weight is pulling on the rope.

I'm not bullshitting btw.....i'm speaking from personal experience."

From one of his last emails:

"You know the only chance of failure is disturbance, so as long as
you've got a few hours and the rope doesn't snap there's no way you'll
just end up hanging there consciously.
We've both already had some experience with positive (or negative,
depends how you look at it) results. Rope around neck =
unconsciousness = death.

If this is to be your choice, I believe you have everything in place
to carry it out successfully. As I said before, so many people,
unfortunately many of them teenagers commit suicide by hanging. The
majority of them giving it no or little thought beforehand. We're both
prepared and in being so, will hopefully experience little or no pain.
Just a quick last breath!"

And a few hours later, he stopped breathing and his heart stopped
beating forever. Shit, my heart is racing a little and I'm breathing
too quickly now and feel like on the brink of a passout without any
compression of the carotid. OK, gotta take a few deep breaths; have to
try hard to stay calm and rational at least as far as the technical
aspects of this sad business are concerned.

[nothing]

Post by caged eagle
So I was
standing on that freaking chair last Friday and was leaning into it
for ages, and it just freaking hurt. I did feel pretty bizarre and had
a hard time keeping my balance, but was never able to start this
blackout feeling as before, and because it was painful enough already,

same with my experiences. suspension hanging is painful, i cant imagine
compressing before because you need to be at an angle you cant be standing
up on a chair. theres not going to be a way around pain that i know of with
sus hanging, like "z" said, may be a few seconds or minutes.

Post by caged eagle
I couldn't muster the courage to step off or kick away that chair. I
think I know now what I had done wrong: The knot was seated too high
on the back, so that the carotid wasn't compressed sufficiently

your angle was the problem, in an upright position, but thats just my
opinion from the tries i did with it.
i could not get the courage to kick away either, i slowly eased off to hang.
i think for me that made it worse because i felt it slowly hurt more.

sorry i have no better help about the rest of your post.

[caged eagle]

Post by nothing

Post by caged eagle
So I was
standing on that freaking chair last Friday and was leaning into it
for ages, and it just freaking hurt. I did feel pretty bizarre and had
a hard time keeping my balance, but was never able to start this
blackout feeling as before, and because it was painful enough already,

same with my experiences. suspension hanging is painful, i cant imagine
compressing before because you need to be at an angle you cant be standing
up on a chair. theres not going to be a way around pain that i know of with
sus hanging, like "z" said, may be a few seconds or minutes.

Thanks for your reply, nothing. Well, I've obviously never practiced a
full suspension, and could imagine that it does involve *some* pain,
but as I already mentioned, I would assume that a correctly performed
full suspension wouldn't involve too much pain for too long. As I
said, I think that my first serious attempt at hanging myself by
trying to start a blackout on the chair was so painful because the
rope didn't cover the carotid well enough, so that I was having a lot
of pressure on my neck for pretty long and did notice some funny
effects on my brain, but not the desired ones.

As already described, my experiments with a more properly placed noose
did *sometimes* cause a blackout feeling very soon, but except for the
very first ones that I couldn't describe any further and where I was
almost passed out *very* quickly and my face stayed pale, all other
more or less successful experiments always left me with a more or less
red face, which I guess is because the compression wasn't sudden
enough. According to Geo Stone, it doesn't take a lot of pressure to
compress the carotid, but it requires even less pressure to shut off
the jugular vein. Let me quote again what should be necessary to
prevent getting a red face when experimenting and a gruesome looking
face during the actual deed:

"If suspension is fast and complete, the blood supply both to
and from the head will be cut off simultaneously, so there is no
excess
blood or blood pressure in the head, and thus a more or less normal-
colored corpse."

Once more, it seems to be difficult to achieve a fast and complete cut
off of the blood flow to and from the brain without a full suspension.

Post by nothing

Post by caged eagle
I couldn't muster the courage to step off or kick away that chair. I
think I know now what I had done wrong: The knot was seated too high
on the back, so that the carotid wasn't compressed sufficiently

your angle was the problem, in an upright position, but thats just my
opinion from the tries i did with it.
i could not get the courage to kick away either, i slowly eased off to hang.
i think for me that made it worse because i felt it slowly hurt more.

Well, here's a description of another frustrating attempt at hanging
myself:

***@yahoo.com (caged eagle) wrote in message news:<***@posting.google.com>...

As described there, I wasn't sure yet how to approach this and just
thought I should decide spontaneously whether to start a blackout
there and kick away the chair then, or whether I should and could kick
step off or kick away the chair right away. Just wanted to check
whether the noose was in place this time, and *did* manage to start a
few blackouts fairly soon without too much pain. I don't know why you
it was hurting so much for you, nothing, I found the pain pretty
bearable. Well, compare this post for why I unfortunately still
couldn't get any further with this.

Well, still don't know how to go about this next time. It does seem to
be mentally easier to start a blackout on that chair, and I could just
see whether I would be mentally and physically able to kick away the
chair then. Of course the survival instinct could still kick back in
even when almost unconscious, but this could be rendered useless by
immediately kicking away the chair; which of course also requires an
overcoming of this stupid and annoying survival instinct. Compare Geo
Stone for why it should do the job if I should just collapse on that
chair; but there is still this great concern of mine that I could
still manage to lift myself up again even when I'm already completely
unconscious and almost completely brain-dead!! It would be great if
anyone could please answer this question at least whether there could
be any slim chance of this happening!!! Another concern is of course
that this approach is pretty likely to leave a rather gruesome looking
face - didn't have a mirror with me when on that rope but could
imagine that my face was rather red again. But well, my looks just
cannot be my top priority; it would still be less ugly than being
splattered all over the place.

So, I really don't know what to do now. I could just continue to try
this over and over again and see whether it works out some time. The
problem is just I'm not this flexible when it comes to the times when
I could have this work out. I just wouldn't want this to succeed when
everything is a complete mess, and while I could live (pun intended)
with not being a beauty queen then, I just wouldn't want some nasty
things happening to my body over days, and this would just be *too*
inconsiderate for those who will have to deal with my body then, and
I've heard that it this smell is hard to get rid off. Felt so urgent a
few days ago, but couldn't come up with a solution on how to be
discovered early enough. Asked the Samaritans whether they could
contact the police if they shouldn't hear from me again after half a
day or so, but they wouldn't be able to do this. My friend Steve knew
exactly when he was ready in any regard and felt so confident that he
would be able to successfully go through with it last Thursday night
that he posted a letter to a police department on that day that they
should come over the next morning and what they would have to do. But
I would be hesitant to do anything like this as long as I'm not 1000 %
sure that I'll be able to succeed with this hanging business at any
given time.

Well, maybe I should just see that everything is in place one day or
half a day before the next possible opportunity, and just try again
and again until I somehow and sometime manage to die. This could just
be pretty physically and mentally exhausting, and I'm pretty exhausted
to begin with, so I can only hope that I wouldn't mess anything up;
that I can make it work out, that it wouldn't be too bad, and that my
face possibly wouldn't look too horrible either then.

[GUy]

Well Caged, your friend Steve is ultimately right, full suspension is
much quicker and easier to do, there is no backing out once you're
hanging there unless the rope breaks or someone finds you. With
partial suspension, Which I have experimented with also, it is almost
just as easy to compress the carotid and go unconscious. I usually
would go almost unconscious when putting most of my weight on the
ligature within 5-7 seconds. It is very quick if you put the weight on
your neck all at the same time. You cannot go slowly into it. Also,
with any suspension, your body will try to save itself in those last
moments before full unconsciousness, If you are doing a full
suspension, it will not be able to save itself. However, by doing a
partial suspension, it will have the means to save itself if the
ligature isn't tight enough and you are too close to the ground(Such
as your knees are on the ground). Here is my suggestion to
successfully die, with as little pain as possible. Do a full
suspension, use a cloth around your neck to reduce the friction so the
rope doesn't cut in as much. You can use a rope that is at least
1/2inch. in Circumference and no more than 3/4inch. or you can use a
1-inch wide strap, such as those used for ratchet tie downs. They Work
just as well and aren't as painful because they spread out the
pressure on a slightly larger portion of the neck. Anyways, tie some
sort of slip knot noose that will easily get tighter the more weight
you put on it and position the knot at the back of your neck. The rope
should be snug under your jaw as high up as it can go, with the cloth
as your padding. Tighten up the noose so that the padding doesn't slip
or anything. Make sure that the noose is high enough off the ground so
that when you step off your chair ,or whatever you are using as a
platform, that your feet do not touch the ground and that they are at
least a few inches away. I do not recommend trying to black out first
and then falling off the chair or tipping it or whatever. My
suggestion from here is to just step off the chair. DO not jump off,
for that will make it hurt far worse than it has to. Plain and simple,
step off the chair, and within 5-10 seconds, you should be
unconscious. You body should flail around for a bit there when going
unconscious, so don't worry. Once you're unconscious, you're done for
unless someone finds you. It's really pretty simple to do. Make sure
you have at least an hour or two of free time uninterrupted by anyone
else and you should be able to accomplish this feat. I hope this
answers yours questions. If you have any more, feel free to ask and I
may be able to answer them.
GUy

[Scrambled Eggs]

Post by GUy
Well Caged, your friend Steve is ultimately right, full suspension is
much quicker and easier to do, there is no backing out once you're
hanging there unless the rope breaks or someone finds you. With
partial suspension, Which I have experimented with also, it is almost
just as easy to compress the carotid and go unconscious. I usually
would go almost unconscious when putting most of my weight on the
ligature within 5-7 seconds. It is very quick if you put the weight on
your neck all at the same time. You cannot go slowly into it. Also,
with any suspension, your body will try to save itself in those last
moments before full unconsciousness, If you are doing a full
suspension, it will not be able to save itself. However, by doing a
partial suspension, it will have the means to save itself if the
ligature isn't tight enough and you are too close to the ground(Such
as your knees are on the ground). Here is my suggestion to
successfully die, with as little pain as possible. Do a full
suspension, use a cloth around your neck to reduce the friction so the
rope doesn't cut in as much. You can use a rope that is at least
1/2inch. in Circumference and no more than 3/4inch. or you can use a
1-inch wide strap, such as those used for ratchet tie downs. They Work
just as well and aren't as painful because they spread out the
pressure on a slightly larger portion of the neck. Anyways, tie some
sort of slip knot noose that will easily get tighter the more weight
you put on it and position the knot at the back of your neck. The rope
should be snug under your jaw as high up as it can go, with the cloth
as your padding. Tighten up the noose so that the padding doesn't slip
or anything. Make sure that the noose is high enough off the ground so
that when you step off your chair ,or whatever you are using as a
platform, that your feet do not touch the ground and that they are at
least a few inches away. I do not recommend trying to black out first
and then falling off the chair or tipping it or whatever. My
suggestion from here is to just step off the chair. DO not jump off,
for that will make it hurt far worse than it has to. Plain and simple,
step off the chair, and within 5-10 seconds, you should be
unconscious. You body should flail around for a bit there when going
unconscious, so don't worry. Once you're unconscious, you're done for
unless someone finds you. It's really pretty simple to do. Make sure
you have at least an hour or two of free time uninterrupted by anyone
else and you should be able to accomplish this feat. I hope this
answers yours questions. If you have any more, feel free to ask and I
may be able to answer them.
GUy

Thanks Guy. I know this post was directed at caged but as someone who is
planning on a partial suspension and considering a full out suspension
hanging, I've gotten great info from your post. I've learned more from you
than I did from Stephen (I think that was his name) from the (ash.xanthia)
methods site about hanging.

So I'm assuming that there isn't any use for that ring? Too complicated to
understand the mechanics of that thing if you ask me.


Again, thanks, and if I have any questions, can I ask you? That goes for
you too Caged.



Adrienne

[caged eagle]

Post by Scrambled Eggs
Thanks Guy. I know this post was directed at caged but as someone who is
planning on a partial suspension and considering a full out suspension
hanging, I've gotten great info from your post. I've learned more from you
than I did from Stephen (I think that was his name) from the (ash.xanthia)
methods site about hanging.

Yeah, I also think that his post should be very useful for anyone
considering a suspension hanging.

Post by Scrambled Eggs
So I'm assuming that there isn't any use for that ring? Too complicated to
understand the mechanics of that thing if you ask me.

Well, both Steve and I never managed to figure out what that ring was
supposed to be about. He didn't bother with it, and said I didn't need
to bother either.

Post by Scrambled Eggs
Again, thanks, and if I have any questions, can I ask you? That goes for
you too Caged.

Do you mean whether you could ask me any questions? Well, this is
about everything I know about SH so far, but yeah of course feel free
to ask anything you'd like, and I'd try to be of any help as long as
I'm still here. I remember that you were experimenting with hanging
quite a while ago already. Are you sure yet whether and when you would
plan to actually do this yourself? Well, for now, let me wish you good
luck to you with whatever you may ultimately try to do! :)

Caged Eagle

[Scrambled Eggs]

Post by caged eagle

Post by Scrambled Eggs
Thanks Guy. I know this post was directed at caged but as someone
who is planning on a partial suspension and considering a full out
suspension hanging, I've gotten great info from your post. I've
learned more from you than I did from Stephen (I think that was his
name) from the (ash.xanthia) methods site about hanging.

Yeah, I also think that his post should be very useful for anyone
considering a suspension hanging.

Post by Scrambled Eggs
So I'm assuming that there isn't any use for that ring? Too
complicated to understand the mechanics of that thing if you ask me.

Well, both Steve and I never managed to figure out what that ring was
supposed to be about. He didn't bother with it, and said I didn't need
to bother either.

I personally think it's better not to fuck with that ring. Just do it the
old fashioned way. Slip knot or hangman's noose or whatever your fancy.

Post by caged eagle

Post by Scrambled Eggs
Again, thanks, and if I have any questions, can I ask you? That
goes for you too Caged.

Do you mean whether you could ask me any questions? Well, this is
about everything I know about SH so far, but yeah of course feel free
to ask anything you'd like, and I'd try to be of any help as long as
I'm still here. I remember that you were experimenting with hanging
quite a while ago already. Are you sure yet whether and when you would
plan to actually do this yourself? Well, for now, let me wish you good
luck to you with whatever you may ultimately try to do! :)

Of course caged. You seem to be one of the more knowledgable ones who has
had experience with hangings.

As for my hanging and attempt, I feel that it'll happen when it happens. I
have no set date yet. It'll be curtains when I finally reach my boiling
point. This weekend, I'll have to go to the builder's store to get another
rope. The clotheline that I have doesn't look so reliable after all. I was
thinking of a tie-on that they use for tying shit on top of trucks and such.

Again, thank you for your well wishes. Because I sure as hell need them.
And good luck to you too caged.


Adrienne

[caged eagle]

Post by Scrambled Eggs
Of course caged. You seem to be one of the more knowledgable ones who has
had experience with hangings.

Well, do have acquired some theoretical knowledge; and even if I'm so
technically challenged, did finally get my noose and knot; it's too
bad that these hanging weren't so happy and didn't get me anywhere.
Well, some lessons on what to avoid. Am seriously hoping to make this
finally work out with the next attempt, that may not be so far away.
Would give my best to muster the courage for a full suspension. Still
hoping that Guy may still be able to help a bit with the few things
that still aren't absolutely clear yet, but I'm pretty sure that a
full suspension with everything I've got here would do the job, just
would like this to go be as quick and as painless as possible and also
leave a not too unpleasant looking face. Am still worried about
messing anything up, also because I haven't been doing so well, and am
either too exhausted or too agonized, but things seem to get worse
rather than better, so this *needs* to work out somehow sometime soon.
If I screw this up once more and over and over again, I'm really
screwed.

Post by Scrambled Eggs
As for my hanging and attempt, I feel that it'll happen when it happens. I
have no set date yet. It'll be curtains when I finally reach my boiling
point. This weekend, I'll have to go to the builder's store to get another
rope. The clotheline that I have doesn't look so reliable after all. I was
thinking of a tie-on that they use for tying shit on top of trucks and such.

Well, it's obviously really important to have a strong point of
suspension that won't break, and a strong rope that won't snap

Post by Scrambled Eggs
Again, thank you for your well wishes. Because I sure as hell need them.
And good luck to you too caged.

Thanks, Adrienne. :) Yeah, I guess we could both do with some luck,
and hope we will be lucky.

Post by Scrambled Eggs
Adrienne

[caged eagle]

Well, had been trying again and again to start a blackout with
tightening the noose manually, but got a red head all the time, and
rarely anything else. It is just too straining and too dangerous to
try to knock myself out again and again when the timing is bad. It
does appear to take a little strength and a lot of will to compress
the carotid sufficiently like this, and nearly impossible to compress
it before the jugular. So I was about to post that I was planning to
do a full suspension, when I found your post Guy, which confirmed
this. Thank you very much for your input! :)

Will split the response in two posts, so that it's not one too long

Post by GUy
Well Caged, your friend Steve is ultimately right, full suspension is
much quicker and easier to do, there is no backing out once you're
hanging there unless the rope breaks or someone finds you.

Yes, a full suspension seems to have a lot going for it; it appears to
be much quicker and safer. Will just have to see to come up with the
strong will to go through with it.

With

Post by GUy
partial suspension, Which I have experimented with also, it is almost
just as easy to compress the carotid and go unconscious. I usually
would go almost unconscious when putting most of my weight on the
ligature within 5-7 seconds. It is very quick if you put the weight on
your neck all at the same time. You cannot go slowly into it. Also,
with any suspension, your body will try to save itself in those last
moments before full unconsciousness, If you are doing a full
suspension, it will not be able to save itself. However, by doing a
partial suspension, it will have the means to save itself if the
ligature isn't tight enough and you are too close to the ground(Such
as your knees are on the ground).

Well, during my experiments with this, the problem was apparently that
I was going too slowly into this, and my serious attempts obviously
also didn't work out, so I will really try hard to do a full
suspension next time. There is just one question: If I shouldn't be
able to go through with "Plan A" for too long, I was wondering whether
I could risk it to attempt "Plan B", namely trying to pass out on the
chair. I realize that the body will try to save itself before full
unconsciousness. I could only hope that it wouldn't be able to do so
anymore. Compare Geo Stone re: how a full suspension is not necessary,
that only 37 % of those who managed to complete a hanging were
completely suspended. If I should somehow drop out of the whole thing
*before* loss of consciousness, there doesn't seem much too much to
lose. I am just *seriously* concerned that my body may still attempt
to save itself *after* full unconsciousness when it is already more or
less dead. Do you any chance of anything like this happening?!


Here is my suggestion to

Post by GUy
successfully die, with as little pain as possible. Do a full
suspension, use a cloth around your neck to reduce the friction so the
rope doesn't cut in as much.

Well, had been told that passing may minimize the pressure too much,
but using a very thin washcloth, like Steve did, sounds like a good
idea.

You can use a rope that is at least

Post by GUy
1/2inch. in Circumference and no more than 3/4inch. or you can use a
1-inch wide strap, such as those used for ratchet tie downs.

Well, I already have a rope here which I was planning to use. Cannot
find the measurement tape from the US and these American measurements
were always confusing me, but just found a conversion table. The rope
here is 1 - 1 1/2 cm. Oh, found a conversion table which says that my
rope should be about 1/2 inch, which sounds perfect! And I'm very
confident that it's strong enough to hold my weight for a long time.

Anyways, tie some

Post by GUy
sort of slip knot noose that will easily get tighter the more weight
you put on it and position the knot at the back of your neck.

Uh, already have a knot and noose here. Have no idea how it's called,
but it does tighten firmly, and I learned from more technically
talented sources that it would be ideal for this job, and being the
technical dummie that I am, I have to rely on this information.

The rope

Post by GUy
should be snug under your jaw as high up as it can go, with the cloth
as your padding.

well, during my first botched attempt when I was trying to pass out on
that chair, I had the rope pretty high up, but it still seems that the
carotid still wasn't covered well enough, I guess because the knot at
the back was too high, so that even a lot of pressure for pretty long
didn't bring me close to a blackout. So I guess I should see that rope
is even all around my neck? Do you think I should still try to start
one blackout on the chair, just to see that everything is in place, or
was Steve right that during full suspension, everything would shift
automatically where it needs to be?

Tighten up the noose so that the padding doesn't slip

Post by GUy
or anything.

Well, Steve was planning to "place the ligature around my neck as i'm
standing on the chair, making sure it's tight but not unpleasant." So
it should be tight but not too tight?

Make sure that the noose is high enough off the ground so

Post by GUy
that when you step off your chair ,or whatever you are using as a
platform, that your feet do not touch the ground and that they are at
least a few inches away.

Well, was taking measurements to make sure that the noose would be
high enough off the ground. The distance between the railing and the
noose would have to be pretty minimal for that. First always put the
noose around my neck, stepped on the chair with some cushions, then
fixed the rope on the railing. Had to untie everything repeatedly
again because it is difficult to come up with a optimal distance.
Sometimes there was too little so that I needed another cushion,
sometimes the noose was just too low. Never managed to come up with a
perfect construction; but I guess it wouldn't be a problem if I have
to bend my knees just a little bit when standing on that chair?!
Wouldn't want to practice this too often either after this one scary
experience when I fell off the chair at a pretty inconvenient time.
Have no other idea what to use as a platform instead of a dining chair
with some cushions, using books instead could be even more instable.

[caged eagle]

Well, had been trying again and again to start a blackout with
tightening the noose manually, but got a red head all the time, and
rarely anything else. It is just too straining and too dangerous to
try to knock myself out again and again when the timing is bad. It
does appear to take a little strength and a lot of will to compress
the carotid sufficiently like this, and nearly impossible to compress
it before the jugular. So I was about to post that I was planning to
do a full suspension, when I found your post Guy, which confirmed
this. Thank you very much for your input! :)

Will split the response in two posts, so that it's not one too long

Post by GUy
Well Caged, your friend Steve is ultimately right, full suspension is
much quicker and easier to do, there is no backing out once you're
hanging there unless the rope breaks or someone finds you.

Yes, a full suspension seems to have a lot going for it; it appears to
be much quicker and safer. Will just have to see to come up with the
strong will to go through with it.

With

Post by GUy
partial suspension, Which I have experimented with also, it is almost
just as easy to compress the carotid and go unconscious. I usually
would go almost unconscious when putting most of my weight on the
ligature within 5-7 seconds. It is very quick if you put the weight on
your neck all at the same time. You cannot go slowly into it. Also,
with any suspension, your body will try to save itself in those last
moments before full unconsciousness, If you are doing a full
suspension, it will not be able to save itself. However, by doing a
partial suspension, it will have the means to save itself if the
ligature isn't tight enough and you are too close to the ground(Such
as your knees are on the ground).

Well, during my experiments with this, the problem was apparently that
I was going too slowly into this, and my serious attempts obviously
also didn't work out, so I will really try hard to do a full
suspension next time. There is just one question: If I shouldn't be
able to go through with "Plan A" for too long, I was wondering whether
I could risk it to attempt "Plan B", namely trying to pass out on the
chair. I realize that the body will try to save itself before full
unconsciousness. I could only hope that it wouldn't be able to do so
anymore. Compare Geo Stone re: how people *have* succeeded with
partial suspensions. If I should somehow drop out of the whole thing
*before* loss of consciousness, there doesn't seem much too much to
lose. I am just *seriously* concerned that my body may still attempt
to save itself *after* full unconsciousness when it is already more or
less dead. Do you any chance of anything like this happening?!


Here is my suggestion to

Post by GUy
successfully die, with as little pain as possible. Do a full
suspension, use a cloth around your neck to reduce the friction so the
rope doesn't cut in as much.

Well, had been told that passing may minimize the pressure too much,
but using a very thin washcloth, like Steve did, sounds like a good
idea.

You can use a rope that is at least

Post by GUy
1/2inch. in Circumference and no more than 3/4inch. or you can use a
1-inch wide strap, such as those used for ratchet tie downs.

Well, I already have a rope here which I was planning to use. Cannot
find the measurement tape from the US and these American measurements
were always confusing me, but just found a conversion table. The rope
here is 1 - 1 1/2 cm. Oh, found a conversion table which says that my
rope should be about 1/2 inch, which sounds perfect! And I'm very
confident that it's strong enough to hold my weight for a long time.

Anyways, tie some

Post by GUy
sort of slip knot noose that will easily get tighter the more weight
you put on it and position the knot at the back of your neck.

Uh, already have a knot and noose here. Have no idea how it's called,
but it does tighten firmly, and I learned from more technically
talented sources that it would be ideal for this job, and being the
technical dummie that I am, I have to rely on this information.

The rope

Post by GUy
should be snug under your jaw as high up as it can go, with the cloth
as your padding.

well, during my first botched attempt when I was trying to pass out on
that chair, I had the rope pretty high up, but it still seems that the
carotid still wasn't covered well enough, I guess because the knot at
the back was too high, so that even a lot of pressure for pretty long
didn't bring me close to a blackout. So I guess I should see that rope
is even all around my neck? Do you think I should still try to start
one blackout on the chair, just to see that everything is in place, or
was Steve right that during full suspension, everything would shift
automatically where it needs to be?

Tighten up the noose so that the padding doesn't slip

Post by GUy
or anything.

Well, Steve was planning to "place the ligature around my neck as i'm
standing on the chair, making sure it's tight but not unpleasant." So
it should be tight but not too tight?

Make sure that the noose is high enough off the ground so

Post by GUy
that when you step off your chair ,or whatever you are using as a
platform, that your feet do not touch the ground and that they are at
least a few inches away.

Well, was taking measurements to make sure that the noose would be
high enough off the ground. The distance between the railing and the
noose would have to be pretty minimal for that. First always put the
noose around my neck, stepped on the chair with some cushions, then
fixed the rope on the railing. Had to untie everything repeatedly
again because it is difficult to come up with a optimal distance.
Sometimes there was too little so that I needed another cushion,
sometimes the noose was just too low. Never managed to come up with a
perfect construction; but I guess it wouldn't be a problem if I have
to bend my knees just a little bit when standing on that chair?!
Wouldn't want to practice this too often either after this one scary
experience when I fell down the chair at a very inconvenient time.
Have no other idea what to use as a platform instead of a dining chair
with some cushions, using books instead could be even more instable.

To be continued ...

[caged eagle]

Response to Guy's post, part II

***@hotmail.com (GUy) wrote in message news:<***@posting.google.com>...

I do not recommend trying to black out first

Post by GUy
and then falling off the chair or tipping it or whatever. My
suggestion from here is to just step off the chair. DO not jump off,
for that will make it hurt far worse than it has to. Plain and simple,
step off the chair, and within 5-10 seconds, you should be
unconscious. You body should flail around for a bit there when going
unconscious, so don't worry. Once you're unconscious, you're done for
unless someone finds you. It's really pretty simple to do.

OK, got it that it is recommendable to go for an immediate full
suspension, and Steve was planning to slowly step off the chair as
well rather than kicking it away. It seems indeed like a simple thing
to do, at least in theory. There are just two question I've got re:
this:

1) I know from my own experience that you can make it back on that
chair before you lose consciousness, which would just be frustrating
during a serious attempt. But do you see any chance that I could
somehow make it back after loss of consciousness? Steven says in his
hanging reference guide that one of the pitfalls to avoid is having
any standing chair anywhere near around your hanging body. Do you see
any chance that a dying body could somehow rescue itself back on that
chair? Well, it obviously worked out for Steve with this approach

2) If I slowly step off the chair, would the compression still be fast
and complete enough to cut off the blood supply both to and from the
head simultaneously, so there is no excess blood or blood pressure in
the head; in other words, could I be pretty sure that my dead face
wouldn't make for a nice picture for rotten.com?

Make sure

Post by GUy
you have at least an hour or two of free time uninterrupted by anyone
else and you should be able to accomplish this feat.

Well, I know that it shouldn't take more than 20 minutes before
complete shut-down of the body, and I'd prefer to be discovered very
soon, because of my paranoia of having anything gruesome starting with
my body. But of course it's better to have some buffer, and to not be
even more stressed out when you are trying something as stressful as
killing yourself.

Well, as I'm not too flexible with when I could do this if I neither
want to hang around for too long nor be in a rush, I was thinking of
trying this first about 18 hours before discovery. Would switch off
the heating then, and also the lights, because the people in the
opposite apartments don't need to watch this exciting performance. It
would suck a bit to die in the cold darkness, but I could try to have
some warm thoughts and listen to some nice, relaxing music, which
seems to be recommendable anyway to cover any potential noises if your
dying body should be trashing around, and while I can remove lots of
stuff around me, this entertainment centre which is very close to the
scene is just too heavy. Well, I don't think the neighbors would care
too much about some strange noises, and should be used to my strange
music. Still haven't decided which song should be the last one I hear;
it shouldn't be too sentimental and melancholic, but dance or techno
wouldn't seem appropriate either. Well, if it shouldn't work out at
night, I would take some time off to try to relax and recover a bit
and to get some sleep, and try it again during the day, about 6 hours
before discovery.

Right now, I'm thinking about just going with the tranquilizers and to
get more comfortably drunk, but only moderately. I will have plenty of
time to step off that chair, and it might even go very quick, because
I really want to go. I'm also confident that everything would be over
very quickly. Someone once posted about how she or he was hanging
around for minutes without anything happening, and Steve also thought
that this person was either bullshitting or did something terribly
wrong, and I'm planning to do everything very right, and it would most
certainly accomplish the feat.

Am just still wondering about the pain. It would of course be nice if
the last thing I feel wasn't pain, but I know from experience that I
couldn't afford to take these opiates on top of everything else. Steve
said that even with the mistakes he made during his first attempt at
SH, there were only a few seconds of pain before he found himself
unconscious on the floor, and that he was hoping to experience little
pain with this new and improved approach. Am glad that the cord
snapped so soon, and that he was still able to try this again after
this one failed hanging attempt and after once having been in coma for
a few days after a failed OD. He once entitled a thread "third time
lucky - hopefully!"; and he was lucky the third time, and if you
forget about this stupid stunt with the hairdryer many years ago, I
will hopefully be lucky the third time as well.

We both started this knowing that we were both dead serious, and could
just try to help each other to sort this shit out properly. But it
became about more than just exchanging hanging tips and info, and we
were both always pretty hesitant to motivate each other too much and
to deliver a lot of pep talk. In the beginning, I thought, cool, some
tech support, but when I started to feel less cool about him and the
idea of him hanging himself, I hardly even dared to utter the word
"hanging" anymore when talking with him. He did finally say that if
there should still be some remaining questions left, I should ask them
soon, and even if it took a little time, I did finally ask some
questions on a morning when I was still clinging to the hope that he
at least wouldn't want to do this; he still answered them during the
day; and in the evening, he did finally hang himself. In his last
emails, he said I sounded about prepared and as ready as him. He
sometimes used to say: "We will get there in the end!". He finally got
there, and I'm determined to get there as well.

I hope this

Post by GUy
answers yours questions. If you have any more, feel free to ask and I
may be able to answer them.
GUy

Well, thanks so much again for your great help so far, Guy. :) It
would help even more if you should be able to give any input re: the
few remaining uncertainties sometime (it's not *this* urgent, but I
will hopefully not be hanging out here for very much longer before the
next and hopefully last hanging attempt). You did help an awful lot
already, and if I should have some more clarity re: the points above,
I would feel at least fully practically prepared and ready for this.
Steve used to say that I always worry too much and am too much of a
perfectionist, but I do worry indeed about potentially messing
*anything* up with this; and one should really see to have perfect
death, at least when it comes to the technicalities.

[GUy]

Hey there again, here are some answers to the questions you are dying
to learn about, literally. Okay, the "Ring", has it's ups and downs.
On the upside, it will alleviate some pressure on the windpipe. The
downside? It also doesn't put as much pressure on the blood vessels
and it takes slightly longer to go unconscious. Not too much of a
difference, might as well have slightly more pain in my opinion to go
unconscious sooner.
Next on the agenda! Does the body try to save itself after it goes
unconscious, simple answer, no. It may twitch and flail a bit, but it
will not be able to coordinate the movement needed to actually save
yourself. The body needs some part of your conscious mind to perform
these tasks. You could try passing out on the chair if you can't go
through with the full suspension, but I really suggest giving it a
good try. If you can just get the will to step off the chair, you will
go unconscious so quickly you will hardly have time to even try to
save yourself. You do not need to start the blackout before doing a
full suspension, when you start hanging, the rope will shift slightly
and will slide up a bit on your neck, be sure that it is as high up as
you can go just so it doesn't hurt your windpipe in the sliding
process.
When tightening the rope around your neck, it doesn't need to be super
tight to start hanging, just get it so it is tight enough not to slip
too much and that will be good enough to start hanging. Bending your
knees on the chair is fine, it doesn't matter really what your lower
portion of the body does just as long as you have enough weight on
your neck long enough to go unconscious. Once you are unconscious, it
doesn't matter if your feet are even still on the chair with your
knees bent.

Once you go fully unconscious, you will not be able to get back on the
chair and save yourself. However, your vision will fade and hearing
and all that before you go unconscious. You may think you are
unconscious at this time but you are not. It takes a few seconds after
that to go fully unconscious. During those few seconds, your body has
the possibility to save itself, but it is very unlikely because 1:Your
motor functions are delayed and 2: It takes some input from the
conscious and coordination to get back on the chair. I'd say you have,
oh, maybe a 2-5% chance of making it back on the chair once your
vision fades, maybe even less, but it is possible for a few seconds
but highly unlikely.
Stepping off the chair slowly.. There is an art to doing this. You can
step off slowly, but not too slowly. It may seem slow, but I'd
recommend not taking more than 1-1.5 seconds. The reason for this, is
on your way to fully hanging, you are lsowly decreasing the blood flow
out of your head first. After enough pressure, the blood will be going
in, but not out of the head, so you can't wait too long. The quicker
you do it, the more equalized the blood will be. If you do it
semi-slowly but not too much blood gets into the head, then your face
may be flightly pink/red but it isn't that much of a difference. If
you head starts pounding as you're lowering yourself down, you're
doing it too slow and the hanging will be more painful. Start over if
you can, if not wait through the agony of the blood in your head. Even
with the extra blood in your head, you will go unconscious around the
same time once fully suspended.
And last but not least, the pain. It's npt really too much pain, you
may think it hurts but you need to look at the broad spectrum of
things. The pain is only temporary, it will fade within seconds. As
soon as you have put enough weight to cut off the blood to your head,
a cool breeze type sensation will usually come over you. At this
point, the pain will start to subside, and as your vision/hearing
subsides, the pain will diminish further. A few seconds after that,
there will be no more pain, forever. I feel that the pain is worth it
to end everything forever. Did I cover everything that you had
questions about?
Talk to you later,
GUy

[Jude]

Post by GUy
Hey there again, here are some answers to the questions you are dying
to learn about, literally. Okay, the "Ring", has it's ups and downs.
On the upside, it will alleviate some pressure on the windpipe. The
downside? It also doesn't put as much pressure on the blood vessels
and it takes slightly longer to go unconscious. Not too much of a
difference, might as well have slightly more pain in my opinion to go
unconscious sooner.
Next on the agenda! Does the body try to save itself after it goes
unconscious, simple answer, no. It may twitch and flail a bit, but it
will not be able to coordinate the movement needed to actually save
yourself. The body needs some part of your conscious mind to perform
these tasks. You could try passing out on the chair if you can't go
through with the full suspension, but I really suggest giving it a
good try. If you can just get the will to step off the chair, you will
go unconscious so quickly you will hardly have time to even try to
save yourself. You do not need to start the blackout before doing a
full suspension, when you start hanging, the rope will shift slightly
and will slide up a bit on your neck, be sure that it is as high up as
you can go just so it doesn't hurt your windpipe in the sliding
process.
When tightening the rope around your neck, it doesn't need to be super
tight to start hanging, just get it so it is tight enough not to slip
too much and that will be good enough to start hanging. Bending your
knees on the chair is fine, it doesn't matter really what your lower
portion of the body does just as long as you have enough weight on
your neck long enough to go unconscious. Once you are unconscious, it
doesn't matter if your feet are even still on the chair with your
knees bent.
Once you go fully unconscious, you will not be able to get back on the
chair and save yourself. However, your vision will fade and hearing
and all that before you go unconscious. You may think you are
unconscious at this time but you are not. It takes a few seconds after
that to go fully unconscious. During those few seconds, your body has
the possibility to save itself, but it is very unlikely because 1:Your
motor functions are delayed and 2: It takes some input from the
conscious and coordination to get back on the chair. I'd say you have,
oh, maybe a 2-5% chance of making it back on the chair once your
vision fades, maybe even less, but it is possible for a few seconds
but highly unlikely.
Stepping off the chair slowly.. There is an art to doing this. You can
step off slowly, but not too slowly. It may seem slow, but I'd
recommend not taking more than 1-1.5 seconds. The reason for this, is
on your way to fully hanging, you are lsowly decreasing the blood flow
out of your head first. After enough pressure, the blood will be going
in, but not out of the head, so you can't wait too long. The quicker
you do it, the more equalized the blood will be. If you do it
semi-slowly but not too much blood gets into the head, then your face
may be flightly pink/red but it isn't that much of a difference. If
you head starts pounding as you're lowering yourself down, you're
doing it too slow and the hanging will be more painful. Start over if
you can, if not wait through the agony of the blood in your head. Even
with the extra blood in your head, you will go unconscious around the
same time once fully suspended.
And last but not least, the pain. It's npt really too much pain, you
may think it hurts but you need to look at the broad spectrum of
things. The pain is only temporary, it will fade within seconds. As
soon as you have put enough weight to cut off the blood to your head,
a cool breeze type sensation will usually come over you. At this
point, the pain will start to subside, and as your vision/hearing
subsides, the pain will diminish further. A few seconds after that,
there will be no more pain, forever. I feel that the pain is worth it
to end everything forever. Did I cover everything that you had
questions about?
Talk to you later,
GUy

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Thank you, Guy. I really appreciate this.

Jude.

[Unloveable]

To take the pain away, I have tried putting the knot towards the front
of my face and leaning my head backwards. It works.

[Scrambled Eggs]

Post by Unloveable
To take the pain away, I have tried putting the knot towards the front
of my face and leaning my head backwards. It works.

Seriously? But how are you able to put maximum pressure on your carotid
artery? And you you still pass out? forgive me if you've already answered
that UL because I don't have the OP on my newsreader. Anyway, Do you do
this standing up or in some sort of kneeling position?

Let me know.


Adrienne

[GUy]

Post by Unloveable
To take the pain away, I have tried putting the knot towards the front
of my face and leaning my head backwards. It works.

Negative highspeed, This method does not work as well, it doesn't cut
off the circulation of blood as well. It usually just makes your neck
hurt. I know, I tried it. Advice, bear the few second of added pain,
it is worth it.

[GUy]

Post by GUy

Post by Unloveable
To take the pain away, I have tried putting the knot towards the front
of my face and leaning my head backwards. It works.

Negative highspeed, This method does not work as well, it doesn't cut
off the circulation of blood as well. It usually just makes your neck
hurt. I know, I tried it. Advice, bear the few second of added pain,
it is worth it.

I would like to take that statement back. Here is the deal. You can
use the back of the neck hanging thing if you're using full
suspension. Works best that way. Partial suspension doesn't work as
well. I tried that with full suspension last night and I went
unconscious surprisingly fast. I had previously only tried it with
partial suspension so that is why it didn't work as well. Ok, that is
all.
Later,
GUy