hanging method - problems blocking the carotid artery in practice runs.

[roller]

in preparation for the hanging method, i'm trying to first get myself
to pass out without the use of rope, so i know where to line the noose
on my neck. i have read several posts on asm of people successfully
blocking their own carotid artery and passing out. but alas, i can't
seem to do the deed, and its rather irritating. so here's my list of
questions...i'm looking for a detailed description of how to get this
to work in layman's terms.

firstly, should i be using one finger, many fingers, thumb, one hand,
both hands, (if one hand which hand pressing on which side)... i heard
somewhere that there are two carotid arteries, one on each side of the
neck, but in all the diagrams i see, the carotid artery is on the
right side of the neck. do i have to close both of them off at once
for me to pass out? do i press perpendicularly, laterally, and where
exactly do i press (a diagram is worth a million words)? should i be
getting dizzy moments later, or does it take minutes?...i've heard it
takes a few seconds to pass out. i'm pretty sure i've managed to
block the jugular vein(s) successfully...because when i take both my
palms positioned on the neck with palms facing each other, with an
inch space between them, so as not to block the windpipe (palms are
parallel to the windpipe) and fingers rapped around the neck, i can
feel my brain fill with blood...and i eventually let go before my
brain explodes.

i know, this is like 20 questions, sorry. i'm guessing most people
just press hard (11 pounds of pressure) on one or both sides of their
neck and pass out...nothing complicated. i'm wondering if my carotid
artery is hidden deep underneath the skin, perhaps behind the jugular
vein...i heard that some people have the carotid artery located deep
within the neck and it can't be blocked with the hands or noose. is
this hocus pocus?...or is possible that the artery is hidden. it
would majorly suck if that was the case.

anyway, all help appreciated.

[roller]

On Oct 26, 6:52 pm, roller <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Maybe my blood pressure is too high, or maybe the carotid can absorb
alot of pressure...i mean, it is pretty fluid in the neck. just
thinking about the body's internal environment, it seems like the only
logical solution would be to grip the artery in your hands like one
would grip a handlebar and squeeze...pressing on it sounds stupid
equivalent to trying to handle a bar of soap. that's just how i
imagine the ooey gooey stuff in my body to be like. help, what am i
missing.

[roller]

On Oct 26, 8:11 pm, roller <***@gmail.com> wrote:

naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people. so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

[scootergirl372]

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people.  so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

[Baustelle]

Post by scootergirl372

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people.  so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

The global cerebral flow is provided by four arteries: two carotid
arteries and two vertebral arteries. When you block one artery, the
flow increases on the others, and the cerebral perfusion remains
unaltered. You should block all the arteries in order to cause a
cerebral ischemia.

Besides, the cerebral ipoperfusion causes an early blackout; you would
release your grip before dying.

The vertebral arteries run through the foramina transversaria, so
blocking the arteries with your fingers is a difficult thing to do.

Moreover, if you press the carotid bifurcation, you can induce a
syncope due to the baroceptor reflex.

Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

[roller]

Post by Baustelle

Post by scootergirl372

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people.  so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

The global cerebral flow is provided by four arteries: two carotid
arteries and two vertebral arteries. When you block one artery, the
flow increases on the others, and the cerebral perfusion remains
unaltered. You should block all the arteries in order to cause a
cerebral ischemia.
Besides, the cerebral ipoperfusion causes an early blackout; you would
release your grip before dying.
The vertebral arteries run through the foramina transversaria, so
blocking the arteries with your fingers is a difficult thing to do.
Moreover, if you press the carotid bifurcation, you can induce a
syncope due to the baroceptor reflex.
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

so what are you saying, there's no way of passing out just be putting
pressure on the neck with your hands...or just that its a hard thing
to do. i've heard a million people talk about doing it successfully,
i've seen videos n stuff too. IT CAN BE DONE!

it just seems like every time i put pressure on the neck, i feel like
my brain is gonna burst. but you say this is a difficult
feat...interesting.

[Avalik]

Post by roller

Post by Baustelle

Post by scootergirl372

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people.  so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

The global cerebral flow is provided by four arteries: two carotid
arteries and two vertebral arteries. When you block one artery, the
flow increases on the others, and the cerebral perfusion remains
unaltered. You should block all the arteries in order to cause a
cerebral ischemia.
Besides, the cerebral ipoperfusion causes an early blackout; you would
release your grip before dying.
The vertebral arteries run through the foramina transversaria, so
blocking the arteries with your fingers is a difficult thing to do.
Moreover, if you press the carotid bifurcation, you can induce a
syncope due to the baroceptor reflex.
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

so what are you saying, there's no way of passing out just be putting
pressure on the neck with your hands...or just that its a hard thing
to do.  i've heard a million people talk about doing it successfully,
i've seen videos n stuff too.  IT CAN BE DONE!
it just seems like every time i put pressure on the neck, i feel like
my brain is gonna burst.  but you say this is a difficult
feat...interesting.

The thing is you don't pass out just by touching your carotid arteries
for a few seconds. Passing out (syncope) is caused by lack of oxygen
in the brain. Your brain has enough oxygen to last awhile before
passing out, so if the second (or shortly after) you stop the oxygen
flow you take your hand off you won't pass out, as your brain had
enough oxygen to last longer than that.

More than likely you'll feel too weak to continue holding your hands
in the position after awhile and won't be able to continue... though
if you can find a position where it doesn't take any strength to have
your hands at your neck then that shouldn't be an issue.

Assuming you can keep the right hold, it can take up to 5 minutes
depending on how much blood/oxygen is getting through, though it will
more likely be around 1-2 minutes. And it will be moderately painful.
So, the solution would be not to take your hand off the second you can
feel your head pulse / bad headache -- this symptom is to be expected,
and it will also get more severe the longer you hold it.

Be warned that after the ordeal your face might be tinged blue, red
splotches on your face, eyes red or even bleeding, and petechiae all
over your face, and maybe blood in your throat (though the latter
unlikely unless you do it often). So don't go letting yourself be seen
after as it is a little obvious what happened, or have a good excuse
such as you had the flu and have been vomiting a lot.

[Peter Pan]

Post by Baustelle

Post by scootergirl372

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people. so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

The global cerebral flow is provided by four arteries: two carotid
arteries and two vertebral arteries. When you block one artery, the
flow increases on the others, and the cerebral perfusion remains
unaltered. You should block all the arteries in order to cause a
cerebral ischemia.
Besides, the cerebral ipoperfusion causes an early blackout; you would
release your grip before dying.
The vertebral arteries run through the foramina transversaria, so
blocking the arteries with your fingers is a difficult thing to do.
Moreover, if you press the carotid bifurcation, you can induce a
syncope due to the baroceptor reflex.
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

so what are you saying, there's no way of passing out just be putting
pressure on the neck with your hands...or just that its a hard thing
to do. i've heard a million people talk about doing it successfully,
i've seen videos n stuff too. IT CAN BE DONE!

it just seems like every time i put pressure on the neck, i feel like
my brain is gonna burst. but you say this is a difficult
feat...interesting.

=================================
sorry, thats not what it says at all.....
and from what you say, you are putting pressure on veins, not arteries

[Peter Pan]

Post by Baustelle

Post by scootergirl372

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people. so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

The global cerebral flow is provided by four arteries: two carotid
arteries and two vertebral arteries. When you block one artery, the
flow increases on the others, and the cerebral perfusion remains
unaltered. You should block all the arteries in order to cause a
cerebral ischemia.
Besides, the cerebral ipoperfusion causes an early blackout; you would
release your grip before dying.
The vertebral arteries run through the foramina transversaria, so
blocking the arteries with your fingers is a difficult thing to do.
Moreover, if you press the carotid bifurcation, you can induce a
syncope due to the baroceptor reflex.
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

so what are you saying, there's no way of passing out just be putting
pressure on the neck with your hands...or just that its a hard thing
to do. i've heard a million people talk about doing it successfully,
i've seen videos n stuff too. IT CAN BE DONE!

it just seems like every time i put pressure on the neck, i feel like
my brain is gonna burst. but you say this is a difficult
feat...interesting.

=================================
sorry, thats not what it says at all.....
and from what you say, you are putting pressure on veins, not arteries

[Avalik]

Post by roller

Post by Baustelle

Post by scootergirl372

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people.  so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

The global cerebral flow is provided by four arteries: two carotid
arteries and two vertebral arteries. When you block one artery, the
flow increases on the others, and the cerebral perfusion remains
unaltered. You should block all the arteries in order to cause a
cerebral ischemia.
Besides, the cerebral ipoperfusion causes an early blackout; you would
release your grip before dying.
The vertebral arteries run through the foramina transversaria, so
blocking the arteries with your fingers is a difficult thing to do.
Moreover, if you press the carotid bifurcation, you can induce a
syncope due to the baroceptor reflex.
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

so what are you saying, there's no way of passing out just be putting
pressure on the neck with your hands...or just that its a hard thing
to do.  i've heard a million people talk about doing it successfully,
i've seen videos n stuff too.  IT CAN BE DONE!
it just seems like every time i put pressure on the neck, i feel like
my brain is gonna burst.  but you say this is a difficult
feat...interesting.

The thing is you don't pass out just by touching your carotid arteries
for a few seconds. Passing out (syncope) is caused by lack of oxygen
in the brain. Your brain has enough oxygen to last awhile before
passing out, so if the second (or shortly after) you stop the oxygen
flow you take your hand off you won't pass out, as your brain had
enough oxygen to last longer than that.

More than likely you'll feel too weak to continue holding your hands
in the position after awhile and won't be able to continue... though
if you can find a position where it doesn't take any strength to have
your hands at your neck then that shouldn't be an issue.

Assuming you can keep the right hold, it can take up to 5 minutes
depending on how much blood/oxygen is getting through, though it will
more likely be around 1-2 minutes. And it will be moderately painful.
So, the solution would be not to take your hand off the second you can
feel your head pulse / bad headache -- this symptom is to be expected,
and it will also get more severe the longer you hold it.

Be warned that after the ordeal your face might be tinged blue, red
splotches on your face, eyes red or even bleeding, and petechiae all
over your face, and maybe blood in your throat (though the latter
unlikely unless you do it often). So don't go letting yourself be seen
after as it is a little obvious what happened, or have a good excuse
such as you had the flu and have been vomiting a lot.

[inquiringmind_7]

Post by Baustelle
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

This must be why I haven't seen a lot of info about the "ligature
(alone)" method, where people tie a cord, scarf, rope or whatever
around their necks and just lie down rather than suspend themselves
from something so their full or partial body weight tightens the
ligature. Simply using arm strength to tie the ligature may not, for
many or most people, result in sufficient tightness to block the
arterial flow(s).

The "ligature alone" method can work. Geo Stone talks about it in his
book as a viable method (He refers to it as self-"strangulation") and
I've seen a few news reports of successful ctbs using it, but not
many.

[Peter Pan]

Post by Baustelle
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

This must be why I haven't seen a lot of info about the "ligature
(alone)" method, where people tie a cord, scarf, rope or whatever
around their necks and just lie down rather than suspend themselves
from something so their full or partial body weight tightens the
ligature. Simply using arm strength to tie the ligature may not, for
many or most people, result in sufficient tightness to block the
arterial flow(s).

The "ligature alone" method can work. Geo Stone talks about it in his
book as a viable method (He refers to it as self-"strangulation") and
I've seen a few news reports of successful ctbs using it, but not
many.


you do know we are talking about two different things don't you? (air and
blood) that ligature/strangulation stuff refers to cutting off the air
supply, we are talking about cutting off the blood supply instead of cutting
off the air....

[Avalik]

Post by inquiringmind_7

Post by Baustelle
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

This must be why I haven't seen a lot of info about the "ligature
(alone)" method, where people tie a cord, scarf, rope or whatever
around their necks and just lie down rather than suspend themselves
from something so their full or partial body weight tightens the
ligature. Simply using arm strength to tie the ligature may not, for
many or most people, result in sufficient tightness to block the
arterial flow(s).
The "ligature alone" method can work. Geo Stone talks about it in his
book as a viable method (He refers to it as self-"strangulation") and
I've seen a few news reports of successful ctbs using it, but not
many.
you do know we are talking about two different things don't you? (air and
blood) that ligature/strangulation stuff refers to cutting off the air
supply, we are talking about cutting off the blood supply instead of cutting
off the air....

Peter, blood provides the oxygen to the brain. Cutting off blood also
cuts off oxygen. Just thought I'd mention.

[Peter Pan]

Post by inquiringmind_7
This must be why I haven't seen a lot of info about the "ligature
(alone)" method, where people tie a cord, scarf, rope or whatever
around their necks and just lie down rather than suspend themselves
from something so their full or partial body weight tightens the
ligature. Simply using arm strength to tie the ligature may not, for
many or most people, result in sufficient tightness to block the
arterial flow(s).
The "ligature alone" method can work. Geo Stone talks about it in his
book as a viable method (He refers to it as self-"strangulation") and
I've seen a few news reports of successful ctbs using it, but not
many.
you do know we are talking about two different things don't you? (air and
blood) that ligature/strangulation stuff refers to cutting off the air
supply, we are talking about cutting off the blood supply instead of cutting
off the air....

Peter, blood provides the oxygen to the brain. Cutting off blood also
cuts off oxygen. Just thought I'd mention.



of course, and the arteries carry the oxygenated blood to the brain, point
is the arteries in the neck are usually buried pretty deep/protected by bone
muscle/or are hard to find, so it's easy to choke/strangle/cut off air, but
a pain to block the carotid artery blood flow... at any rate, the hanging
method is usually more like strangulation (stops air from getting to the
lungs and oxygenating the blood at all) while blocking the carotid stops the
oxygenated blood to the brain (ps, the o2 binds with the hemoglobin in the
blood on a molecular level, it's not air bubbles in the blood, ie the blood
carries o2, but it's not gaseous air or the same as the air we breathe so
the air/blood different things still relates, the term strangulation is used
regarding blood flow and some internal organs (like strangling the blood
flow to the.....) but i've never heard it used to refer to the blood flow to
the brain....

[Avalik]

Post by Avalik

Post by inquiringmind_7
This must be why I haven't seen a lot of info about the "ligature
(alone)" method, where people tie a cord, scarf, rope or whatever
around their necks and just lie down rather than suspend themselves
from something so their full or partial body weight tightens the
ligature. Simply using arm strength to tie the ligature may not, for
many or most people, result in sufficient tightness to block the
arterial flow(s).
The "ligature alone" method can work. Geo Stone talks about it in his
book as a viable method (He refers to it as self-"strangulation") and
I've seen a few news reports of successful ctbs using it, but not
many.
you do know we are talking about two different things don't you? (air and
blood) that ligature/strangulation stuff refers to cutting off the air
supply, we are talking about cutting off the blood supply instead of cutting
off the air....

Peter, blood provides the oxygen to the brain. Cutting off blood also
cuts off oxygen. Just thought I'd mention.
of course, and the arteries carry the oxygenated blood to the brain, point
is the arteries in the neck are usually buried pretty deep/protected by bone
muscle/or are hard to find, so it's easy to  choke/strangle/cut off air, but
a pain to block the carotid artery blood flow... at any rate, the hanging
method is usually more like strangulation (stops air from getting to the
lungs and oxygenating the blood at all) while blocking the carotid stops the
oxygenated blood to the brain (ps, the o2 binds with the hemoglobin in the
blood on a molecular level, it's not air bubbles in the blood, ie the blood
carries o2, but it's not gaseous air or the same as the air we breathe so
the air/blood different things still relates, the term strangulation is used
regarding blood flow and some internal organs (like strangling the blood
flow to the.....) but i've never heard it used to refer to the blood flow to
the brain....

I'm not retarded, when I said "blood carries oxygen to ___" I meant
blood carries oxygen to ____, not "blood has little air bubbles in it
and blah blah blah". I'm not the one confused. You were the one who
said, "we are talking about cutting off the blood supply instead of
cutting off the air" ... and since blood carries oxygen to the body,
it in fact does cut off the oxygen supply the only difference is it is
focused on one body part.

"the term strangulation is used regarding blood flow"

Actually most people strictly associate it with the airways.
Nonetheless, compressing the airways and compressing the carotid
arteries are both defined as strangulation. They both interfere with
flow to the oxygen of the brain.

Definition of strangulation by wikipedia:

Strangling involves one or several mechanisms that interfere with the
normal flow of oxygen into the brain:[3]

* Compression of the carotid arteries or jugular veins — causing
cerebral ischemia.
* Compression of the laryngopharynx, larynx, or trachea— causing
asphyxia.
* Stimulation of the carotid sinus reflex — causing brachycardia,
hypotension, or both.

" but i've never heard it used to refer to the blood flow to the
brain.... "

Really? Generally it's the most referred to globally. You don't hear,
"The blood flow to the liver/eyeball/kidney/stomach/etc is cut off!"
you usually hear, "The blood flow to the brain/limb is cut off!"
since... most people don't have the blood flow to their other organs
cut off. Usually it's just the brain and limbs and such (leg, foot,
hand, arm, finger, toe). Unless you mean, "the blood flow is being
strangled"... in which case if you actually read my post it doesn't
say that. :)

[inquiringmind_7]

Post by inquiringmind_7

Post by Baustelle
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

This must be why I haven't seen a lot of info about the "ligature
(alone)" method, where people tie a cord, scarf, rope or whatever
around their necks and just lie down rather than suspend themselves
from something so their full or partial body weight tightens the
ligature. Simply using arm strength to tie the ligature may not, for
many or most people, result in sufficient tightness to block the
arterial flow(s).
The "ligature alone" method can work. Geo Stone talks about it in his
book as a viable method (He refers to it as self-"strangulation") and
I've seen a few news reports of successful ctbs using it, but not
many.
you do know we are talking about two different things don't you? (air and
blood) that ligature/strangulation stuff refers to cutting off the air
supply, we are talking about cutting off the blood supply instead of cutting
off the air....

Actually, the way Geo Stone describes it, the ligature-alone method
can be done in a way (he describes it) that causes death by
obstructing the blood flow to the brain while the person is still
breathing to some degree. The method is primarily a blockage of the
carotid arteries and, to some extent, jugular veins. The person is
breathing enough to prevent CO2 build-up, but not enough to provide
sufficient oxygen to the brain to sustain life.

[inquiringmind_7]

Post by inquiringmind_7
Actually, the way Geo Stone describes it, the ligature-alone method
can be done in a way (he describes it) that causes death by
obstructing the blood flow to the brain while the person is still
breathing to some degree. The method is primarily a blockage of the
carotid arteries and, to some extent, jugular veins. The person is
breathing enough to prevent CO2 build-up, but not enough to provide
sufficient oxygen to the brain to sustain life.

I forgot to add that the methods described by Geo Stone involve tying
the ligature so that the windpipe is not tremendously obstructed. The
person continues to breathe to some extent, but not enough to
compensate for the significantly - ultimately fatal - reduced oxygen
that reaches the brain due to the carotid artery blockage. So the
person continues to breathe until they ctb... it is really the
obstructed blood flow to the brain that causes the person to ctb. Just
wasn't sure I explained it very well above... and I probably still
haven't, but I'm not a doctor and don't play one on TV. :-)))

[Peter Pan]

Post by Baustelle
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

This must be why I haven't seen a lot of info about the "ligature
(alone)" method, where people tie a cord, scarf, rope or whatever
around their necks and just lie down rather than suspend themselves
from something so their full or partial body weight tightens the
ligature. Simply using arm strength to tie the ligature may not, for
many or most people, result in sufficient tightness to block the
arterial flow(s).

The "ligature alone" method can work. Geo Stone talks about it in his
book as a viable method (He refers to it as self-"strangulation") and
I've seen a few news reports of successful ctbs using it, but not
many.


you do know we are talking about two different things don't you? (air and
blood) that ligature/strangulation stuff refers to cutting off the air
supply, we are talking about cutting off the blood supply instead of cutting
off the air....

[Peter Pan]

Post by scootergirl372

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people. so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

The global cerebral flow is provided by four arteries: two carotid
arteries and two vertebral arteries. When you block one artery, the
flow increases on the others, and the cerebral perfusion remains
unaltered. You should block all the arteries in order to cause a
cerebral ischemia.

Besides, the cerebral ipoperfusion causes an early blackout; you would
release your grip before dying.

The vertebral arteries run through the foramina transversaria, so
blocking the arteries with your fingers is a difficult thing to do.

Moreover, if you press the carotid bifurcation, you can induce a
syncope due to the baroceptor reflex.

Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.


===========================================
Can you simplify that? seems like a bit/lot of confusion between blocking
blood/air, arteries/veins

[inquiringmind_7]

Post by Baustelle
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

This must be why I haven't seen a lot of info about the "ligature
(alone)" method, where people tie a cord, scarf, rope or whatever
around their necks and just lie down rather than suspend themselves
from something so their full or partial body weight tightens the
ligature. Simply using arm strength to tie the ligature may not, for
many or most people, result in sufficient tightness to block the
arterial flow(s).

The "ligature alone" method can work. Geo Stone talks about it in his
book as a viable method (He refers to it as self-"strangulation") and
I've seen a few news reports of successful ctbs using it, but not
many.

[Peter Pan]

Post by scootergirl372

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people. so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

The global cerebral flow is provided by four arteries: two carotid
arteries and two vertebral arteries. When you block one artery, the
flow increases on the others, and the cerebral perfusion remains
unaltered. You should block all the arteries in order to cause a
cerebral ischemia.

Besides, the cerebral ipoperfusion causes an early blackout; you would
release your grip before dying.

The vertebral arteries run through the foramina transversaria, so
blocking the arteries with your fingers is a difficult thing to do.

Moreover, if you press the carotid bifurcation, you can induce a
syncope due to the baroceptor reflex.

Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.


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Can you simplify that? seems like a bit/lot of confusion between blocking
blood/air, arteries/veins

[roller]

Post by Baustelle

Post by scootergirl372

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people.  so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

The global cerebral flow is provided by four arteries: two carotid
arteries and two vertebral arteries. When you block one artery, the
flow increases on the others, and the cerebral perfusion remains
unaltered. You should block all the arteries in order to cause a
cerebral ischemia.
Besides, the cerebral ipoperfusion causes an early blackout; you would
release your grip before dying.
The vertebral arteries run through the foramina transversaria, so
blocking the arteries with your fingers is a difficult thing to do.
Moreover, if you press the carotid bifurcation, you can induce a
syncope due to the baroceptor reflex.
Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

so what are you saying, there's no way of passing out just be putting
pressure on the neck with your hands...or just that its a hard thing
to do. i've heard a million people talk about doing it successfully,
i've seen videos n stuff too. IT CAN BE DONE!

it just seems like every time i put pressure on the neck, i feel like
my brain is gonna burst. but you say this is a difficult
feat...interesting.

[Baustelle]

Post by scootergirl372

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people.  so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...

The global cerebral flow is provided by four arteries: two carotid
arteries and two vertebral arteries. When you block one artery, the
flow increases on the others, and the cerebral perfusion remains
unaltered. You should block all the arteries in order to cause a
cerebral ischemia.

Besides, the cerebral ipoperfusion causes an early blackout; you would
release your grip before dying.

The vertebral arteries run through the foramina transversaria, so
blocking the arteries with your fingers is a difficult thing to do.

Moreover, if you press the carotid bifurcation, you can induce a
syncope due to the baroceptor reflex.

Incidentally, arteries have thicker and more muscular walls than
veins; arteries and veins run side by side.

[scootergirl372]

Post by roller
naw i can't even make myself pass out by hyperventilating and holding
my breath...and i've seen too many videos to count of it working for
people.  so maybe i'm just a big guy, high blood pressure, i dunno.

arteries run deep and have thinner, less muscular walls than veins.
how about two tennis balls with rope run through them, positioned on
both sides of the neck with your weight creating the force? dunno,
just an idea that came to me while driving around...